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  I got an answer from my dad

  by Elsewhere in

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  for several months i have been asking my family and the organization what the difference is between someone who "simply leaves the faith" and someone who "went out" (disassociates).. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=39631&site=3 .

  today i finally got the answer from my dad on the phone.

  according to my dad (an elder), someone who simply leaves the faith is someone who still believes in jehovah and the organization, but does not attend the meetings.

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  Thanks for the info, Oz. May a blessed vintage grace your lips this New Year's Day.

  My apologies to Elsewhere for the momentary diversion of his thread.
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  I got an answer from my dad

  by Elsewhere in

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  for several months i have been asking my family and the organization what the difference is between someone who "simply leaves the faith" and someone who "went out" (disassociates).. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=39631&site=3 .

  today i finally got the answer from my dad on the phone.

  according to my dad (an elder), someone who simply leaves the faith is someone who still believes in jehovah and the organization, but does not attend the meetings.

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  Please forgive if this strays a bit from the topic at hand. Question:

  Whom is still considered a JW of these 2 classes you mentioned, Elsewhere? Are DAs and those who simply leave (fade, inactive,etc.) still considered part of the org or are one or both no longer counted in the 6 million number of JWs?
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  What is the worst.....?

  by teenyuck in

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  name you could call an old, bitter, hateful, ungrateful, sour woman?

  i need some options when i next speak to my mother-in-law...

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  How 'bout:

  HoneyBunnyDuckyDownySweetyChickenPieL'ilEverlovin'Jellybean?

  Just rolls off the tongue.

  Edited by - no one on 27 December 2002 15:18:3
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  new guy on the board

  by pr_capone in

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  hi all, my name is eric, i'm 22 years old i live in kansas, and i am the new guy on the forum.

  just looking to meet some people who, like myself, have decided that being one of jehovah's witnesses was not for them.

  i stopped going about 1 1/2 years ago and have been feeling quite alone.

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  Welcome to OZ!!!! Won't be long before you realize you're not in Kansas any more.
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  Change your world...

  by VeniceIT in

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  i know there are soo many new people on this board in the past year or so, and i haven't been posting a whole lot lately i've been busy with school and what not, but i did want to kind of give a bit of an update and hopefully some encouragement for those that are in the process of leaving the borg, and have left friends and family behind.

  in the summer of 2000 my entire world shattered around me.

  for more details you can click here.

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  We then moved across the country where we knew NO ONE!!!!

  Sorry, Ven, I just don't remember you.
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  The Ways Of A Weasel

  by Yadirf in

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  i've taken note that the person that goes by the name "outlaw" continues to post daily.

  yet, he hasn't entered the thread whose title bears his very own name.

  yes, conveniently, outlaw skips past a thread that calls him to account for the lie he spoke about yadirf.

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  Well Friday, I'd request to be added to your list, but then "no one" would be on your list.
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  What did Jesus REALLY look like?

  by RubyTuesday in

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  what jesus looked like doesn't really matter to me... in a faith that is moved by his teachings and not his looks, however it doesn't stop to amaze me why organized religion has gone out of its way to make us think he was gorgeous.

  the following scriptures plainly states that he was'nt even just "average" looking but maybe even deformed.maybe it is important what he looked like....important enough to put in the bible and important enough for man to twist it...no twist isn't the word...lie!

  visage =the face, countenance, or look of a person or an animal; -- chiefly applied to the human face.

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  Yeru,

  I think meadow was trying to say that Jesus was white with a red birthmark.
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  "Cheers" question

  by reubenfine in

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  does anybody remember the logic behind why it was wrong to make toasts with drink and say "cheers"?

  what was up with that, anyway??

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  Found this in WT 1/1/68 'Questions from Readers':

  Is it proper for Christians to "drink a toast" when they get together?M. D., U.S.A.

  In some lands, when acquaintances are about to part, they have a parting drink of some alcoholic beverage, with glasses raised and touched together and accompanied with an expression of to your health or something similar. At wedding receptions frequently a toast is similarly offered to the health and happiness of the newlyweds. Understandably, some have questioned whether it would be Scripturally proper for Christians to share in such toasts.

  Certainly there is nothing wrong with a Christians wishing a friend happiness and good health. Nor would it be improper to do so as a group. The spiritually older men in the first century concluded a letter to the Christian congregations with an expression meaning, essentially, "Good health to you!"Acts 15:29.

  But is that all there is to "toasting"? Why do the toasters raise their glasses, or lift their mugs and clink them together? Is it in imitation of some custom? Note what The Encyclopdia Britannica, 11

  th Ed., Volume 13, page 121, says:

  "The custom of drinking health to the living is most probably derived from the ancient religious rite of drinking to the gods and the dead. The Greeks and Romans at meals poured out libations to their gods, and at ceremonial banquets drank to them and to the dead." Then, after showing how such pagan customs survived among Scandinavian and Teutonic peoples, this reference work adds: "Intimately associated with these quasi-sacrificial drinking customs must have been the drinking to the health of living men."

  When most people join in a "toast" they probably do not imagine that they might be copying the custom of lifting up a libation or liquid sacrifice to pagan gods, yet that could be so. Without question, a faithful Christian would not share in an actual pagan sacrifice, realizing that "you cannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons." (1 Cor. 10:21) A mature Christian would also avoid even imitating false religious rituals. This spiritually mature course would please Jehovah. Remember, God specifically warned the Israelites against copying religious practices of the pagan nations round about them.Lev. 19:27; 21:5.

  If a Christian is going to make a request for divine blessing on another, then an appropriate way to do that is through heartfelt prayer to God, not by following traditions based on pagan worship that Jehovah abhors.Phil. 1:9; 2 Cor. 1:11.

  Customs and traditions abound all over the earth. If a mature Christian knew that a particular one was directly based on false religion, obviously he would avoid it. But not all customs are objectionable. Some may simply be local practices or etiquette without a false religious origin, such as greeting by shaking hands or bowing. (Gen. 23:7) Each individual can consider what he knows about a particular custom and his own motive with regard to it. Just why is he doing it? He might also ask himself, Will doing this stumble others, or will people in the community link my actions with false religion? (1 Cor. 10:32, 33) No one else can serve as the conscience for a particular Christian; hence each one can think the matter over and make a decision so as to have a clear conscience.Acts 23:1; 2 Cor. 1:12.

  Another Queastions from Readers about toasting in WT 5/15/52
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  Teaching a pig to sing?

  by Focus in

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  this is not a parable.

  nor is this for most.. verily, verily, i say unto thee: "never try to teach a pig to sing.

  it wastes your time and annoys the pig.".

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  Have you seen the little piggies crawling in the dirt, and for all the little piggies, life is getting worse

  Always having dirt to play around in, have you see the bigger piggies, in their starched white shirts

  You will find the bigger piggies, stirring up the dirt, always have clean shirts to play around in

  In their sties with all their backing, they don't care what goes on around

  In their eyes there's something lacking, what they need's a darn good whacking

  Everywhere there's lots of piggies, living piggy lives, you can see them out for dinner, with their piggy wives

  Clutching forks and knives, to eat their bacon

  'Piggies" by George Harrison
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  Talk: JWs are not go to a gym???

  by WingCommander in

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  i remember just a few short years back at my old congregation, there were a few younger brothers and sisters joining gyms and going to work out.

  well, i guess the elders found out that everyone's free time wasn't being spent pioneering, so a talk (down to) was given one sunday on "not letting worldy pursuits take your eyes off the prize" or some shit like that.

  the whole talk was about how we should devote all time to the wts and field service, and that going to or belong to a gym was just a worldly pursuit and that it was just making or bodies "showy".

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  Oh ye brothers and sisters of the 'buffed and ripped' class, is it not written at Lev. 3:16-17 that "All the fat belongs to Jehavah" and that we "must not eat any fat...at all"?

  So let us eat, drink, and be pudgy.